KARZAI: Thank you very much, Mr. President.
It's a great honor to be in your very beautiful country once again, especially during fall, with all the lovely leaves around.
And thank you very much for the great hospitality that you and the first lady are always giving to a guest, especially to me.
And
thanks also for your visit to Afghanistan and for seeing us in our
country, and for seeing from close as to who we are and how we make it
to a better future.
I'm very grateful, Mr. President, to you and
the American people for all that you have done for Afghanistan for the
last four-and-a-half years, from roads to education to democracy to
parliament to good governance effort to health and to all other good
things that are happening in Afghanistan.
Mr. President, I was
the day before yesterday in the Walter Reed hospital. There I met
wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan. And there also I met a woman surgeon
with six boys, from 7 to 21, that she had left behind in America in
order to build us a road in the mountainous part of the country in
Afghanistan.
KARZAI: There's nothing more that any nation can do
for another country _ to send a woman with children to Afghanistan to
help. We are very grateful. I'm glad I came to know that story. And
I'll be repeating it to the Afghan people once I go back to Afghanistan.
We
discussed today all matters that concern the two countries: the
question of the reconstruction of Afghanistan, improvement for the
reconstruction of Afghanistan, the equipping of the Afghan army, the
training of the Afghan army, the police in Afghanistan, in all other
aspects of reconstruction.
We also discussed the region around
us; discussed our relations with Pakistan and the question of the joint
fight that we have together against terrorism.
And I'm glad that,
Mr. President, that you are, tomorrow, hosting a dinner for me and
President Musharraf. And I'm sure we will come out of that meeting with
a lot more to talk about to our nations in a very positive way for a
better future.
Mr. President, we, the Afghan people, are grateful to you and the American people for all that you have done.
I had things in mind to speak about, and you did that. So I will stop short and let the questions come to us.
BUSH: We'll have two questions a side.
Q: Thank you, sir.
Even
after hearing that one of the major conclusions of the national
intelligence estimate in April was that the Iraq war has fueled terror
growth around the world, why have you continued to say that the Iraq
war has made this country safer?
And to President Karzai, if I
might: What do you think of President Musharraf's comments, that you
need to get to know your own country better when you're talking about
where terror threats and the Taliban threat is coming from?
BUSH: You want to start?
KARZAI: Go ahead, please.
BUSH:
I, of course, read the key judgments on the NIE. I agree with their
conclusion that, because of our successes against the leadership of
al-Qaida, the enemy is becoming more diffuse and independent.
I'm
not surprised the enemy is exploiting the situation in Iraq and using
it as a propaganda tool to try to recruit more people to their
murderous ways.
Some people have, you know, guessed what's in the
report and have concluded that going into Iraq was a mistake. I
strongly disagree. I think it's naive. I think it's a mistake for
people to believe that going on the offense against people that want to
do harm to the American people makes us less safe.
The terrorists
fight us in Iraq for a reason; they want to try to stop a young
democracy from developing, just like they're trying to fight this young
democracy in Afghanistan.
And they use it as a recruitment tool
because they understand the stakes. They understand what will happen to
them when we defeat them in Iraq.
You know, to suggest that if we
weren't in Iraq we would see a rosier scenario, with fewer extremists
joining the radical movement, requires us to ignore 20 years of
experience.
We weren't in Iraq when we got attacked on September
the 11th. We weren't in Iraq and thousands of fighters were trained in
terror camps inside your country, Mr. President. We weren't in Iraq
when they first attacked the World Trade Center in 1993.
KARZAI: Yes, sir.
BUSH: We weren't in Iraq when they bombed the Cole.
KARZAI: Yes, sir.
BUSH: We weren't in Iraq when they blew up our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.
My
judgment is, if we weren't in Iraq, they'd find some other excuse,
because they have ambitions. They kill in order to achieve their
objectives.
You know, in the past, Osama bin Laden used Somalia as an excuse for people to join his jihadist movement.
In
the past, they used the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It was a
convenient way to try to recruit people to their jihadist movement.
They've used all kinds of excuses.
This
government is going to do whatever it takes to protect this homeland.
We're not going to let their excuses stop us from staying on the
offense.
The best way to protect America is to defeat these killers overseas so we do not have to face them here at home.
We're not going to let lies and propaganda by the enemy dictate how we win this war.
Now,
you know what's interesting about the NIE? It was an intelligence
report done last April. As I understand, the conclusions _ the evidence
on the conclusions reached was stopped being gathered on February _ at
the end of February.
And here we are coming down the stretch in
an election campaign and it's on the front page of your newspapers.
Isn't that interesting? Somebody's taken it upon themselves to leak
classified information for political purposes.
I talked to John
Negroponte today, the DNI. You know, I think it's a bad habit for our
government to declassify every time there's a leak, because it means
it's going to be hard to get good product out of our analysts. Those of
you who've been around here long enough know what I'm talking about.
But
once again there's a leak out of our government, coming right down the
stretch in this campaign in order to create confusion in the minds of
the American people.
In my judgment, that's why they leaked it.
And
so we're going to _ I told the DNI to declassify this document. You can
read it for yourself. It will stop all the speculation, all the
politics about somebody saying something about Iraq; you know, somebody
trying to confuse the American people about the nature of this enemy.
And
so John Negroponte, the DNI, is going to declassify the document as
quickly as possible _ declassify the key judgments for you to read
yourself.
And he'll do so in such a way that we'll be able to protect sources and methods of _ that our intelligence community uses.
And then everybody can draw their own conclusions about what the report says.
Thank you.
Q: (OFF-MIKE)
BUSH: Why _ why is declass _ what was that question?
Q: Why is that declassification not a political act?
BUSH: Because I want you to read the document so you don't speculate about what it says.
You
asked me a question based upon what you thought was in the document _
or at least somebody told you was in the document. And so I think
you'll be able to ask a more profound question when you get to look at
it yourself ... as opposed to relying upon gossip and somebody, you
know, who may or may not have seen the document trying to classify the
war in Iraq one way or the other.
It's a _ just I guess it's just
Washington _ isn't it? _ where, you know, we, kind of _ there's no such
thing as classification anymore, hardly.
But, anyway, you all take a look at it, and then you'll get to see.
KARZAI: Ma'am...
BUSH: Why don't you ask them _ yeah, you got the two-part question.
KARZAI:
Ma'am, before I go to the remarks by my brother, President Musharraf,
terrorism was hurting us way before Iraq or September 11. The president
mentioned some examples of it.
These extremist forces were
killing people in Afghanistan and around for years, closing schools,
burning mosques, killing children, uprooting vineyards with vine trees,
grapes hanging on them, forcing populations to poverty and misery.
They came to America on September 11, but they were attacking you before September 11 in other parts of the world.
We are a witness in Afghanistan as to what they are and how they can hurt. You are a witness in New York.
Do
you forget people jumping off the 80th floor or 70th floor when the
planes hit them? Can you imagine what it will be for a man or a woman
to jump off that high?
Who did that? And where are they now? And
how do we fight them, how do we get rid of them, other than going after
them? Should we wait for them to come and kill us again?
That's
why we need more action around the world, in Afghanistan and elsewhere,
to get them defeated. Extremism, their allies, terrorists and the likes
of them.
On the remarks of my brother, President Musharraf,
Afghanistan is a country that is emerging out of so many years of war
and destruction and occupation by terrorism and misery that they
brought to us.
We lost almost two generations to the lack of education. And those who were educated before that are now older.
We
know our problems. We have difficulties. But Afghanistan also knows
where the problem is, in extremism, in madrassas preaching hatred,
places by the name of madrassas preaching hatred. That's what we should
do together, to stop.
The United States, as an ally, is helping
both countries. And I think it is very important that we have more
dedication and more intense work, with sincerity, all of us, to get rid
of the problems that we have around the world.
Q: Mr. President, what is your new strategy to fight against terrorism and also to deal with narcotics in Afghanistan?
Thank you.
KARZAI: All right.
This was to me or to President Bush?
OK.
Ma'am,
there is no new strategy on the fight against terrorism. We are
continuing the strategy that we have. We are implementing the strategy.
We are moving further in that strategy. We are getting more of them.
We're trying to clean the country of these elements and the region of
these elements by doing more reconstruction, by doing more search for
the terrorist elements hiding around there.
So the fight against terrorism will continue the way we started it, on all...
Q: (OFF-MIKE) think it's working now the way it's going?
KARZAI: It is absolutely working.
We
come across difficulties as we are moving forward, and that's bound to
happen. And we get over those difficulties. We resolve them, and we go
the next stage of this fight against terrorism for all the allies.
At
one stage, four years ago we had a war against them to dislodge them
from Afghanistan, to remove them from being the government of
Afghanistan. And then there were major operations against them to
arrest them or to chase them out.
And then we began to rebuild
the country, to have roads, to have schools, to have health clinics, to
have education, to have all other things that people need all over the
world.
And now we are at a stage of bringing more stability and trying to get rid of them forever.
The
desire is to do that sooner. But a desire is not always what you get.
So it will take time. And we must have the patience to have the time
spent on getting rid of them for good.
On narcotics, it is a
problem. It is an embarrassment to Afghanistan. And I told President
Bush earlier in my conversation with him we feel very much embarrassed
for having narcotics growing in our country.
But again, it has come to Afghanistan because of years of our desperation and lack of hope for tomorrow.
I
know Afghan families, ma'am, who destroyed their pomegranate orchards
or vineyards to replace them with poppies because they did not know if
they were going to have their children the next day, if they were going
to be there in their own country the next day, if they were going to be
having their homes standing the next day.
It has become a reality because of droughts and years of misery.
We
have worked on the problem. In some areas of the country we have
succeeded. In other areas of the country we have failed because of the
circumstances and because of our own failures.
We have discussed
that, and we will continue to be very steadfast. It is Afghanistan's
problem, so Afghanistan is responsible for it and Afghanistan should
act on it, with the help of our friends in the United States and the
rest of the world.
Q: Former President Clinton says that your
administration had no meetings on bin Laden for nine months after he
left office. Is that factually accurate? And how do you respond to his
charges?
BUSH: You know, look, I've watched all this, you know, fingerpointing and, you know, namings of names and all that stuff.
Our objective is to secure the country.
BUSH: And we've had investigations, we had the 9/11 Commission, we had the look-back this, we've had the look-back that.
The American people need to know that we spend all our time doing everything we can to protect them.
And
I'm not going to comment on, you know, other comments. But I will
comment on this; that we're on the offense against an enemy who wants
to do us harm, and we must have the tools necessary to protect our
country.
On the one hand, if al-Qaida or al-Qaida affiliates are
calling somebody in the country, we need to know why. That's why
Congress needs to pass that piece of legislation.
If somebody's
got information about a potential attack, we need to be able to ask
that person some questions. And so Congress has got to pass the piece
of legislation.
You can't protect America unless we give those
people on the front lines of protecting this country the tools
necessary to do so within the Constitution.
And that's what the
debate is here in the United States. There are some decent people who
don't believe _ evidently don't believe we're at war and, therefore,
shouldn't give the administration what is necessary to protect us.
And that goes back to her question: Does being on the offense mean we create terrorists?
My
judgment is: The only way to defend the country is to stay on the
offense. It is preposterous to think, if we were to withdraw, and hope
for the best, things would turn out fine, against this enemy.
That
was my point about, you know, before we were in Iraq, there was
thousands being trained in Afghanistan to strike America and other
places.
The only way to protect this country is to stay on the
offense, is to deal with threats before they fully materialize and, in
the long term, help democracy succeed, like Afghanistan and Iraq and
Lebanon and a Palestinian state.
But there's a difference of
opinion. It will become clear during this campaign, where people will
say: Get out; leave before the job is done. And those are good, decent,
patriotic people who believe that way. I just happen to believe they're
absolutely wrong.
And so I'm going to continue to work to protect
this country. And we'll let history judge all the different
fingerpointing and all that business.
I don't have enough time to
fingerpoint. I've got to stay _ I've got to do my job, which comes home
everyday in the Oval Office, and that is to protect the American people
from further attack.
Now there are some who say: Well, maybe it's not going to happen, you know? Well, they don't see what I see.
All
I ask is that they look at that terror plot that, along with the Brits,
we helped to help stop: people who were going to get on an airplane and
blow up innocent lives in order to achieve political objectives.
They're out there. They're mean. And they need to be brought to justice.
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