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20 October 2006



Awesome, Squig. ::grin::


Given that LaHood and Hoekstra admit they have no evidence that the Democratic staffer leaked the NIE, isn't your pronouncement a little premature?

Pal2Pal (Sara)

Wayne -- Hoesktra in his Fox interview today said that they are sure they have taken the right move here based on investigation of several items. I'm waiting for a transcript excerpt on this. Will post it as soon as I have it or someone finds it and sends it. Your point is valid. However, coincidence when it comes to intelligence leaks to the NYT is kind of far-fetched.


A simple denial from him or Harman that he provided the information to the NYTs would go a long way in making the pronouncement premature. Lots of time for both Harman and Pelosi to sound off about everything but denying he leaked.



If you read, only LaHood said anything like you intimate. Hoekstra hasn't really said anything. But - what would you rather have happen? Let someone suspected of leaking continue to have access to classified info, or cut that access until the investigation is completed? Who is jumping the gun here?

Pal2Pal (Sara)

NOTE: Hoekstra said today that Hanauer is barred from seeing intelligence briefings and from access to the Committee, but he has not been fired and is still receiving his pay. Seems like a fair solution to me while the investigation continues.


Still, the suspension should have been kept under wraps; no need "out" him while he is still just a suspect.

charles austin

Remember the good old days when the seriousness of the accusation virtually required an investigation to be performed? Oh, sorry, that was when accusations were made against Republicans. Meanwhile, Democrats now demand that a potential, dare I say it, traitor be reinstated immediately, and how dare we question their patriotism?


Still, the suspension should have been kept under wraps; no need "out" him while he is still just a suspect.



Oh, yeah. I also remember how all those Democrats leapt to remind us that people should be considered innocent until proven guilty in the Plame leak. I was so proud of their committment to principle, Charles Austin. Pardon me while I gag.


After Pat's Birthday

Posted on Oct 19, 2006

By Kevin Tillman

It is Pat's birthday on November 6, and elections are the day after. It gets me thinking about a conversation I had with Pat before we joined the military. He spoke about the risks with signing the papers. How once we committed, we were at the mercy of the American leadership and the American people. How we could be thrown in a direction not of our volition. How fighting as a soldier would leave us without a voice... until we get out.

Much has happened since we handed over our voice:

Somehow we were sent to invade a nation because it was a direct threat to the American people, or to the world, or harbored terrorists, or was involved in the September 11 attacks, or received weapons-grade uranium from Niger, or had mobile weapons labs, or WMD, or had a need to be liberated, or we needed to establish a democracy, or stop an insurgency, or stop a civil war we created that can't be called a civil war even though it is. Something like that.

Somehow our elected leaders were subverting international law and humanity by setting up secret prisons around the world, secretly kidnapping people, secretly holding them indefinitely, secretly not charging them with anything, secretly torturing them. Somehow that overt policy of torture became the fault of a few "bad apples" in the military.

Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a five-year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas, or slapping stickers on cars, or lobbying Congress for an extra pad in a helmet. It's interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a five-year-old; or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him; or an extra pad in a helmet, as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat.

Somehow nobody is accountable for this.

In a democracy, the policy of the leaders is the policy of the people. So don't be shocked when our grandkids bury much of this generation as traitors to the nation, to the world and to humanity. Most likely, they will come to know that "somehow" was nurtured by fear, insecurity and indifference, leaving the country vulnerable to unchecked, unchallenged parasites.

Luckily this country is still a democracy. People still have a voice. People still can take action. It can start after Pat's birthday.

Brother and Friend of Pat Tillman,

Kevin Tillman

[Editor's note: Kevin Tillman joined the Army with his brother Pat in 2002, and they served together in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pat was killed in Afghanistan on April 22, 2004. Kevin was discharged in 2005.]

charles austin

Well, that's what we call a non sequitur, nitpicker.

M. Simon

It looks like the Dems are taking a page out of the Nixon playbook. Except that Nixon is no loger with us.

Thank the Maker.

The Rs are much smarter this time. They are going after the leakers publicly through regular channels.

This one ought to peak right around 7 Nov. Foley is history. So is Foleygate.


I'm merely pointing out that:

1) You are assuming this fellow is guilty despite the lack of any actual evidence; and

2) Given the lack of evidence, the idea that this will effect the election is ludicrous. I heard the same thing about the vastly overblown Reid situation and that has already passed over.

And I am very much looking forward to seeing Santorum return to private life.


Pelosi: "Any action against a staff member's clearance should come at the conclusion of an investigation, not before one even begins." You can't make this stuff up. Is the Dem leadership serious about national security? The bugger is caught pink-handed, so keep his butt out of the vault. He hasn't lost his job or pay. Hoekstra might've been smarter to plant something and see if it got passed.

Someone must have something extra juicy on Harman in light of the way she's turned 180. Or maybe she's just knuckling under to Pelosi to keep her committee post.

Congratz on the instalanche, sweety.

Dan S

You can tell Pelosi knows nothing about security. If security matters, you first take steps to ensure as solid a security as you can, then you sort out the facts. Suspending someone tied by circumstantial evidence (which the timeline is) while you investigate further is simple damage control.

I can't help but wonder if there wasn't a canary trap involved here too. There may be evidence that isn't being made public due to the methods being used to try to find the leakers.

A suspension is nothing. If he's clean he will be cleared. A suspension is not an indictment or firing (aka forced resignation).

Dave in W-S

As has been pointed out several times above, Hanauer has had his clearance and access to classified pulled. He hasn't been fired. As far putting his name out there, I don't recall that there was a press conference announcing this. In other words, it doesn't seem to me as though there was a general attempt to throw Hanauer to the wolves as part of some publicity stunt. I could be mistaken, but didn't the "outing" of Hanauer's identity somewhat coincide with the letters from Harmon and Pelosi demanding that the "witch hunt" be called off? So where did his identity surface?

On the other hand, Hanauer has some potentially disturbing prior ties that may have helped focus attention on him. I have read numerous descriptions of him as a long-time civil servant who was abruptly replaced by the Bush administration in their rush to the Iraq war. Let's look at that for a koment.

Hanauer entered the work force in 1995, when he graduated from Fletcher. From then until 2003, he held a number of very interesting positions within Defense. But he still had only 8 years of work experience and thus a more finite number of connections than someone with many years of service and numerous assignments.

Commentary on his time at defense, and especially at NESA, along with the circumstances of his departure, per the link that MacRanger posted, has been provided by some very interesting sources. Mother Jones Magazine has been a progressive rabble rouser for many years, while NESA coworker Karen Kwiatkowski has been an outspoken critic of what Mother Jones describes as the "neocon takeover of this government", since retiring from the USAF immediately after being replaced at NESA. Kwiatkowski is, as noted above, linked solidly into the leaker mafia, with such notables as Ray McGovern, Larry Johnson, et al.

All in all, a very intriguing mix of names associated with Mr. Hanauer:
Directly - Harmon, Kwiatkowski, Pelosi
Indirectly - Larry Johnson, Ray McGovern, Mary McCarthy (whom the previous 3 staunchly defended, as well taking the offense on the Plame/Wislon affair).

I sincerely hope the Republicans are prepared to see this through. I will be very interested to see where this investigation takes us.

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